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Overcoming overwhelming complexity: Systems Podcast

Listen to an interview with Benjamin Taylor of Red Quadrant where I talk about my journey from Beyond Budgeting, through systems thinkings and theory and back again to the practical challenges of management.


For deep thinkers this opens a window into a world of ideas that few realise exists..and the challenges and rewards of exploring it for yourself.



You will find the ideas mentioned in this podcast fleshed out in my book 'Zen and the Art of Organising Work' (referred to as the Little Book of Organisation in the podcast).


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